WTF California? High Court Upholds Proposition 8

The entire thing makes me sick to my stomach. What a gross misrepresentation of what it means to be an American. However, California isn't the only one we should be furious with today. At least they got to this stage. Most states still stick their heads in the sand and pretend "the gay" doesn't exist.

If you are in the SF Bay area, you can join us at San Francisco City Hall at 5 pm (PST) today to voice your disappointment in today's CA Supreme Court ruling upholding Proposition 8.

Elsewhere - please check F.A.I.R. to find rallies in your area:
http://www.faironline.org/

@Natalie -- you're 100% right -- this is progress. Frustratingly slow progress, but progress none the less. I think that only positive of today's decision is that it will mobilize people across the country to take up the issue of equality in their own communities.

I moved to California five years ago because I believed it to be one of the most progressive, liberal states in the country; and, I'm wholly disappointed that our populace would let such bigoted legislation pass in the first place. I think that 52.3% of the people in California who should be hanging their heads in shame today.

And, yes it makes me sick to my stomach, too. :(

"deny its citizens basic civil rights." Marriage is not a civil right. Why do you have such a hard time with the fact that we said no, you say "it passed" but not by enough for you? It would be great if you moved on to one of those states that better suits you. What a wonderful world it would be if everyone agreed with you, no debate, no differing opinions, beliefs or thoughts. How dare you tell me I should hang my head in shame because of what I believe in.

Leann - don't inflict your beliefs or morality on the general populace. You have a right to lead your life the way you choose too, you don't have a right to dictate how others lead their lives. There is a difference between holding a differing opinion and using that opinion as the basis to exclude a group of people from an element of society.

Where do YOU get off telling people who they can love and marry? How does this personally affect your life? What right do you have to interfere in the personal lives of others?

What are you going to do next? Legislate who can have children? Legislate where people are allowed to live?

As my eloquent friend Eugene wrote on Tuesday:
"The scary thing about today's ruling is not whether or not these CSC judges are for or against gay marriage; because, that's not what it was about. It's that a vocal minority of a population can fund, lobby and pass a measure to strip constitutional rights away from its citizens. Whats next? Banning the immigration of a certain race of people? Measuring how black you are, thus how much freedoms you are given by sticking a pen in your hair? Or how about stealing the property of law abiding citizens and sending them to interment camp because of their ancestry?

When you allow a group of your population be oppressed, you are allowing yourself to be oppressed."

Frankly - your argument is old and tired. Who cares what you believe? Believe what you want and teach your children directly if you like... Don't enforce your beliefs on other people. WHY DO YOU CARE IF GAY PEOPLE GET MARRIED? How does it hurt you Leanne? It doesn't - that's right - IT DOESN'T.

And, you should hang your head in shame because the stance you're taking is a very bigoted one. As I have pointed out: many many many times in American history the "majority" of the population has been in support of something bigoted, racist, exclusionary and WRONG that at a later time people have looked back at with great shame. This is one of those times in our history as a state and a country where future generations are going to be really ashamed...

And - you - personally - are only making yourself look like a narrow minded, bigoted fool by making comments.

Yes - it didn't pass by enough. And, the only reason it DID pass by 4.2% was because of interference from non-Californian lobbyists who spread divisive and egregiously incorrect information to targeted groups of voters (minorities and non-English speaking) that played upon old, untrue societal fears.

It barely passed and eventually Prop 8 it will be repealed.
"Separate but equal" is an outdated philosophy which is WRONG. Shame on you for promoting it.

Gee, you are so upset. So you attack me personally? That is quite a leap from my believing that marriage should be between a man and a woman to my being Hitler, are you fucking kidding me? What a viscious little bitch you are. That is not a discussion or debate and this is not your platform. There can be no differing opinions? What you have written are your opinions, thats fine but don't attack me because I don't agree with your opinions. Minorities and foreigners are stupid in your opinion? The black vote said no to gay marriage, and you are saying that it is because the black voters have no thoughts or opinions with any value or intelligence

..."old untrue societal fears" such as?? Such as?? Try to make your points rationally without attacking people with differing opinions, thoughts and yes beliefs. And your conspiracy theories, isn't it just possible that there are more voters in this state that want "marriage" to remain defined as between a man and a woman...as does our President? Try being alittle nicer and having a decent discussion.

Where did I call you Hitler? This "vicious little bitch" thinks this is a case of do unto others as you would have done unto you, dear. I'm not the one calling names.

I'm not attacking you, I'm expressing my BELIEF that you're wrong. I am speaking out vehemently against what I believe to be wrong. I am not condemning you - believe what you want - I'm saying it's WRONG to force your morality onto others.

Personally, I'm against many things on from a moral perspective that I support in the political plane. BECAUSE IT IS NOT RIGHT TO INFLICT MY MORALITY ON OTHERS.

Same-sex marriage doesn't hurt straight people such as you and myself. It doesn't denigrate the commitment between opposite sex married couples. It doesn't affect anyone in any way except the people who are being denied the right to have it recognized by the greater society.

What old, untrue societal fears? Hm, let's see: that homosexuality is "contagious." Specifically: that if same-sex marriage was legalized that religious officials would be "forced" to perform same-sex marriages and jailed if they refused. That same-sex marriage would be "taught in the public schools."

Both lies. Both perpetrated by a conservative lobbying group out of Utah. Both designed to play upon the fears of those less informed about the politics of this issue.

I don't think that minorities are stupid and I never said that. I said that a very savvy lobbying group attacked with misinformation in *very specific* demographics with the design to play upon the fears of people who were less informed about the proposition. It's not unreasonable to suggest that playing upon high emotional stakes is a method used to manipulate voters - it's done all the time.

The margin is narrow and believe me, those in favor of same-sex marriage have had their eyes opened as to where they need to be working hardest to correct that misinformation for the next opportunity to repeal the proposition.

Differing opinions are fine and well. My opinion is that this is a time in history people will look back upon decades from now and be ashamed of the fact that they or their relatives or the people of their community supported legislation which is bigoted and just plain old wrong. You are free to disagree with me. I'm sure I'm not the first person, nor will be the last person in the world to speak out against the "perceived majority" and be told that they are wrong... You're trying to shut me down by saying that I'm being disrespectful - I'm not - you're trying to tell me I'm irrational - I'm not. I'm perfectly nice, frankly and you're the one being combative.

Cheers.